Assuming these movies earn Marvel back a lot of goodwill with casual audiences, what do you think the plan for the next saga is?

They clearly made a lot of mistakes with The Multiverse Saga and just went in with a "let's see what happens" approach instead of planning it out properly. Some stuff landed well, a lot of it didn't. It was pretty messy overall and definitely killed most people's enthusiasm for the MCU. It seems like the studio understands that and is working hard to make sure they get things back on track.

There have been rumours that the Russo brothers are sticking around post-Secret Wars to help oversee the next Saga, so I'm curious what people think the plan is for the immediate future.

If the success of these next two Avengers movies relies so heavily on the returns of RDJ and Chris Evans then what does mean for the next saga (which presumably won't include them)? who's gonna be the face of the MCU going forward?

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Jet-Let46062025-12-13 21:52

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JamJamGaGa2025-12-13 21:55

I posted the same question in a different sub and the top answers have all been the same.

I just don't think it's likely that they focus solely on the X-Men when most of Marvel's IP consist of non-X-Men characters. What about the Avengers, Fantastic Four, Defenders, Spider-Man, etc.?

Jet-Let46062025-12-13 21:57

They'll be around but the X-Men will likely be the pivotal focus just like the Avengers was in the Infinity Saga.

tall-glassof-falooda2025-12-14 00:44

X-Men vs Avengers

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QualitySerious92982025-12-14 03:34

I still think this is gonna be a hard sell in terms of getting people back into the MCU again. everything avengers was newly trodden and fresh for *most* people. if they're leaning primarily into x-men, I anticipate a lot of GA thinking, haven't we seen all this already.

TrickshotzReddit2025-12-13 21:59

The Infinity Saga wasn’t only focused on the stones and Thanos, and the Multiverse Saga wasn’t only focused on the Multiverse. Those are just the main plot points for the Saga as a whole as a way to describe them for the big finale before moving onto the next.

Poku1152025-12-13 23:28

I mean the movies that directly influence the infinity saga feel like the majority versus the multiverse saga. Yes in part because of volume, but also because there just wasn't that much of a thread.

Infinity saga of the top of my mind, avengers, Thor 2, Thor 3, Avengers 2, ant man 2, gog, Doctor Strange, Captain America.

Those are movies that directly set up very important plot points (Thanos existence, the infinity gems and their presence in the universe, quantum realm) not just introduce characters.

From the multiverse saga...MoM, F4, maybe thunderbolts if the theories about doom using sentry too happen, loki season 2? Maybe quantumania if kang is a stepping stone? And The marvels i guess

Like yeah they could be re releasing endgame just to generate hype, or because they know most of their projects dont have much influence over their rushed over climax beyond a few concepts and a majority of character most outside the loyal fandom decided to skip so they pretty much have to carry everyone over from a movie that released 6 years ago

ryanixer2025-12-14 13:50

sorry if this is a bad take, but i feel the endgame re-release could also partially be to test if audiences will still show up for major avengers films despite the goodwill they've lost over the last half a decade. if the endgame re-release flops, it bodes very badly for doomsday and secret wars.

Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-13 22:55

Defenders is not a franchise that is currently on MS radar. It's just gonna be 3 seasons of Daredevil with the possibility of a 4th and 5th.

Marvel Studios will keep doing Spider-Man, Avengers, X-Men and FF films. Phase 7 begins with X-Men and likely ends with an Avengers + FF + X-Men crossover.

Own_Giraffe_69282025-12-13 23:31

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Eccohawk2025-12-14 00:17

They'll probably also be sprinkling in more monsterverse stuff with Blade, Man-Thing, Elsa Bloodstone, Moon knight, werewolf by night, Black Knight, etc.

Own_Giraffe_69282025-12-14 02:39

They'd be stupid not to at this point.

SeekerVash2025-12-14 06:18

>Who's saying they will focus SOLELY on the X-Men?

What else would they focus on? The current roster of the MCU largely can't sell tickets at the box office or get people to watch on Disney+.

Disney's a business, they aren't going to keep losing money.

Jirachibi10002025-12-14 00:01

They'll be the focus, not the entire thing. Kinda like how Phase 1 was focused on the Avengers but still had solo movies and stuff like Guardians. The next saga is going to focus on mutants and the X-Men, but still have solo films and solo shows, it'll just be the "big event" movie or whatever will probably be X-Men focused and the big bad of the next saga will most likely be X-Men or F4 related, more likely X-Men.

Eccohawk2025-12-14 00:13

I fully expect a House of X/Powers of X storyline. I suspect that Celestial island becomes transformed into Genosha or Krakoa. But they have a lot of story to weave their way through and do it right.

JohnnyKarateX2025-12-13 21:59

Correct answer and to the point.

dwide_k_shrude2025-12-14 03:08

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Shaolin_T2025-12-14 04:30

The ONLY right fkn answer.

evermuzik2025-12-13 23:40

so, i know very little of xmen, and im wondering what the structure and release schedule of phases might look like. would it be like phase 1 again where they make a handful of origin movies, like cyclops, rogue, storm, beast, then it culminates in a "The X-Men" movie? then phase 2 would be some sequels, some more origin stories, then x-men 2? so on and so forth? or would they sprinkle in other non-mutant IP, like redoing Iron Mans and F4'S origin stories? if its only mutants for 3 phases it sounds kind of boring, but if they slowly introduce everyone else again it sounds amazing

closetsquirrel2025-12-14 02:04

The focus will be mutants, but every movie won't be mutants. You'll have your big name Marvel movies like Strange, Black Panther, etc. all get films, but they will revolve around a mutant or groups of mutants, or at very least include a mutant in some way.

Soliy872025-12-14 01:06

yes personally I want to see avengers rebranded To the Ultimates and we have The ultimates vs X-men. where magneto goes full terrorist and the Ultimates as a government sponsored team have to round all the x-men up due to them being seen in cahoots with magneto. guilt by association sorta thing

binkyblaster2025-12-14 01:07

I can hear the theme song

Teganfff2025-12-14 02:45

The only answer I’ll accept.

paperbuddha2025-12-13 21:53

Anything other than a full blown venture into “to me my X-Men” would be a massive misstep.

Beginning-Pace-14262025-12-13 22:20

Imagine how lit the theater would be at that post-credits scene

RedApple-Cigarettes2025-12-14 06:09

All they should have is like a faraway shot at the X Mansion and Scott steps into frame. Cut to black. People would go fucking NUTS

paperbuddha2025-12-14 06:17

There needs to be some audio to trigger the pop. Scott puts his finger to his ear and we hear “Professor?” or something. Regardless, it’s going to be cool as shit. X-Men with today’s hype and technology, can’t wait.

DoNotLookUp32025-12-14 08:45

Just knowing that an X-Men saga can lead to some of the comic storylines and villain arcs but done right in big team-up movies is so damn exciting. Something like Infinity War and Endgame but for the X-Men will be absolutely wild.

I wonder what the big Avengers-style movies will be called. Will it start with the new one that's *X-Men* and then pivot to smaller titles with one or a two at a time (Storm, Gambit standalones etc.) until *X-Men: Subtitle* like they did with Avengers > Avengers: Age of Ultron, or something else like just main X-Men movies featuring them until something like X-Men v. Avengers?

Curious to see how they handle them and the Avengers team(s) simultaneously.

kevlarus802025-12-15 00:13

I'm hoping for a good version of Age of Apocalypse one day.

Alternative-Bat-24622025-12-13 23:21

This is where they earn back all the money spent buying Fox.

user_154272025-12-13 23:41

I thought they already confirmed the Mutant Saga was what’s after the Multiverse Saga.

This will basically be a full reset is my thought. They now can build the universe they always wanted with X-Men, F4 and Spiderman at the center and take a break from the avengers. The next saga will have to do everything the first did, which is nail the casting for the major characters. New Wolverine, Storm, Prof X, Jean and Cyclops will have to be hits like the avengers were. Also they’ll need to hit on the lesser known heroes. There are probably a dozen characters like Deadpool that aren’t known to the non comic fan that can be huge money makers.

davwad22025-12-14 00:13

Had Fiege said they were going to reset the MCU? I've seen this talked about so much.

Are the upcoming Avengers movies' comic book source material responsible for generating that chatter? I don't know many CB stories well.

General-Astronaut1612025-12-14 01:12

Yeah Feige gave a massive interview a few months ago. He was talking about a bunch of things. He pretty much said outright that he wants to avoid the word reboot because it's a loaded word. But they are going to be resetting the MCU after Secret Wars.

He also said that they're going to be recasting a new Iron Man and Steve Rogers eventually.

davwad22025-12-14 01:26

Thanks! This is the first I've heard about resetting/rebooting. It's not the first time I heard about Iron Man and Steve Roger recasting though. The context I remember hearing was that it was an eventuality.

GarySoneji2025-12-14 03:08

Everyone is misconstruing what was actually said: *“Reboot is a scary word,” he said. “Reboot can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Reset, singular timeline — we’re thinking along those lines.” Later, he added, “‘X-Men’ is where that will happen next.”*

Steve and Tony aren’t definitively coming back, either.

*Amy Pascal and David Heyman are now searching for a new James Bond,” Feige said, referring to the producers of Amazon MGM’s upcoming Bond film. “David [Corenswet], the new Superman — he was awesome. That will always be the case.”*

davwad22025-12-14 04:43

I don't expect them back soon. Maybe after the Mutant Saga, or if they reset continuity somehow.

Reboot for me, means: same characters, new actors, same premise. *Battlestar Galactia* (2004) is my go-to example for what a reboot is.

Thanks for the quote!

ShadesOfTheDead2025-12-14 05:58

Feige makes it seem like they want a continuity reset in other interviews. I mean, he’s said that one of the problems with the MCU is that it has become like homework.

DoNotLookUp32025-12-14 08:49

Makes sense to essentially squish things down so that it's all in one universe, taking the best parts from the MCU, Fox universe etc. with a lore explanation, giving people a nice starting point without totally resetting from scratch and recasting everyone. They can also fix any issues and merge things together that the MCU couldn't have originally like mutants, F4 and The Avengers etc. all being in the same universe from the drop.

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:06

I have a feeling Mystique and Destiny will be popular if they allow it to happen. Mystique is a very fun character with a very fun past, she was fucking Sherlock Holmes in the 616. Unfortunately she's just way more interesting with a real motivation, Destiny is so important to her modern-day characterization that if they remove her from the situation the character is kind of uncanny (derogatory).

user_154272025-12-14 07:37

Yes I’m excited to see what they do with mystique. She has a ton of potential.

DoNotLookUp32025-12-14 08:40

Exactly. I just really hope we get a proper origin done right and not a "skip to way later" thing like Fantastic 4. I like all origin stories personally as long as they're done well (especially when they have an interesting take on the base one) but I understand skipping ones like Spider-Man that has already been done VERY well in terms of comic accuracy or at least authenticity in a movie. F4 on the other hand hadn't been, so it was a shame to have them skip it.

I feel the same way about X-Men. Love the Fox team and many of the movies to death but I want to see the original team done right, finding their footing and trying to become a proper team and family before we move onto other deeper cut mutants. We've never had it done properly in live-action, and plus there's something special about seeing the origin of MCU versions anyway with all that being part of the MCU affords compared to other prior versions.

FreeStall422025-12-14 11:58

Already got that in X-Men 97.

X-men in MCU just too late to care

Silvery_Power_62412025-12-13 21:53

My hope is that the next saga is all about mutants with Apocalypse as the big villain at the end. Also, if the Kang storyline hasn't concluded by the end of Secret Wars, I want a Young Avengers vs Kang movie

CommunityDragon1842025-12-13 21:55

X-men, young/west coast avengers and fantastic four

Oh and midnight suns

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:17

Great Lakes Avengers, you say?

PopCultureWeekly2025-12-14 21:00

South East Hoboken Avengers, you’ll finally get your time to shine!

MotherFuckerJones882025-12-13 21:55

Hot take, I'd like them to lean into the animation side more. Give me a shared animated universe.

Over-Prize-62952025-12-13 22:01

True...the gap between character appearances are so long...people end up ngaf about them ...
Whatever james gun is doing with same universe animation is great...ask the actors to only voice the characters and it's solved.

MotherFuckerJones882025-12-13 22:03

I don't even necessarily care if it lines up with the live action stuff.

Teliporter3342025-12-13 21:57

I’m hoping they:

- Shine more of a spotlight on the Fantastic Four

- Recast Tony, Steve, Hank, Janet, Thor, Hulk, and everyone else from 616 and start the Avengers team again with the original members, keeping it more faithful to 616 comic continuity

What they’ll most likely be doing:

- Lots more emphasis on the X-Men

- More emphasis on Spider-Man

Over-Prize-62952025-12-13 22:02

They should pipe down the recasts for atleast 5-6 years...let the emotions cool down I guess.

Teliporter3342025-12-13 22:05

They should take a decently long break post Secret Wars either way, actually give people time to digest these stories and give themselves time to plan something out.

Regarding recasting time, it’s already been ~7 years since Endgame, by the time Secret Wars is out it’ll almost be a decade. I think by that point recasting seems reasonable

Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-13 23:21

2032 is the 20th year anniv of The Avengers. I reckon that's when we will have our Avengers film with new Tony, Steve, Banner, Thor, etc...

I hope Jan and Hank are part of the lineup instead of BW and Hawkeye. To make things different, I would do an Avengers vs Master of Evil film.

Everyone hero gets a personal arch-villain.

0nlymantra2025-12-13 22:33

X-Men and Spider-Man versus Arcade please for the love of Stan Lee give me that live action movie!

Over-Prize-62952025-12-13 22:00

They should just pipe down the Avengers stuff for atleast 5-6 years ....the characters in universe are already establish.
Focus on establishing the F4, X-Men and do stuff with mephisto..probably ghost rider, Blade, moon knight.

The new bad needs to be built properly...and apocalypse shouldn't be the big bad...he should be only a X-Men villian...

DudeManBo1t2025-12-13 22:05

Going more on the mystical/cosmic/mutant route is the move. If they want something more grounded they should go The Defenders route with cameos from Avenger Characters

Over-Prize-62952025-12-13 22:10

The fact that iron fist can become the bridge between the mystical side and grounded side in team ups makes me bricked up.
People like moon knight are both mythical and street level....daredevil can hear spirits as well..

Educational-Ad30792025-12-14 06:35

The X-Men and the Fantastic Four have their respective connections to the cosmic side as well

mt802025-12-13 22:15

Maybe not Marvelwide villain but I’d love to see Mister Sinister and Omega Red in MCU

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:15

Omega Red makes for an amazing first MCU Wolverine solo movie, if they decide to lean into Wolverine.

Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-13 23:17

IMO, there shouldn't be any singular big bad. But rather a villain team-up team.

Adapting Acts of Vengeance with the X-Men, FF, Spidey and Avengers villains would be great. Instead of setting up a hero team, the films will set up a villain team.

seegreenblue2025-12-14 17:21

I feel like they will start that with Doomsday and Secret Wars imo but we shall see on that

Own_Giraffe_69282025-12-13 23:46

Strongly disagree, and I think one of the reasons why the Multiverse Saga didn't click with audiences is precisely because there were 0 Avengers movies between Endgame and Doomsday (or half an Avengers movie if you want to count Thunderbolts). The whole idea of the MCU, the reason it's a thing at all, is so that you can introduce characters and then team them up in big crossovers. That barely happened this saga, and many of the new heroes we introduced showed up for one project across these 3 phases and never again. And you want to... keep doing that?

Tyrath2025-12-14 07:01

> They should just pipe down the Avengers stuff for atleast 5-6 years

They have done this since the last round as well

Dismal-Apricot98892025-12-13 22:02

I think they should set up a soft reboot, aka recasting via the multiverse, of all the OG keystone heroes, focus on one big X-Men saga, then give us new Iron Man, Black Panther, Thor, Captain America, and Hulk films. Then follow the original formula of standalone films that function as episodes in a series, with an Avengers movie serving as the season finale.

Teliporter3342025-12-13 22:09

Agreed with everything you said, but I’d also say to put the Fantastic Four heavily into the spotlight as well

Tanis89982025-12-13 22:03

Please no next saga, just end it.

jimababwe2025-12-13 22:10

If they brought everything to a halt, waited five to ten years while Dc does its thing and came back with a big xmen v avengers thing it could work. But there is zero chance of them turning off their money making machine for “artistic merit.”

RandoDude1242025-12-13 22:10

#Reset it all.

Iron Man 1 is gonna be 19 years old, after you defeat Doom start over with the big 3

waaay2dumb2live2025-12-13 22:27

Big 4.

reddit_hayden2025-12-13 22:45

who’s the 4th?

waaay2dumb2live2025-12-13 22:53

Avengers? They’ve become as popular as the other 3 idk why you’d think otherwise

reddit_hayden2025-12-13 22:57

i thought “the big 3” referred to iron man, captain america, and thor. at least that’s what they were known as in the past.

waaay2dumb2live2025-12-13 23:15

Nah, the big 3 would refer to the Fantastic Four, X-Men and Spider-Man, at least before Avengers got as popular or even more popular than them (according to some at least). Regardless, it’s a big 4 now of Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four and Avengers.

Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-13 23:25

I assume Steve, Tony, Spidey and Wolverine.

A4orce842025-12-13 22:13

Kang.

Embarrassed-Back18942025-12-13 22:21

Yeah, I assume it's very unlikely Jonathan Majors will return to the MCU, but I would like to see the character recast and see the story played out. I think there's a lot of potential for the villain and the story they were initially trying to tell. For extra actor security, they could cast multiple variants as Kang.

-Darkslayer2025-12-13 22:24

Have Doom’s antics be what brings Kang back into the picture. Loki’s been essentially holding him prisoner - what happens after Doom throws it into chaos during the 2-parter?

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:23

Time means nothing to Marvel, truly. In the comics Cassandra Nova is left billions of years in the past with zero access to technology on an Earth that is experiencing one of the worst extinction events in the history of the planet (also there's a native lifeform that isn't carbon based and oxygen is toxic to them).

She shows up as a villain in the main book a couple years later with zero explanation given at all. No time travel shenanigans, no "I've lived billions of years thanks to you", just... ignored, not even a somehow palpatine returned.

waaay2dumb2live2025-12-13 22:26

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EagleSaintRam2025-12-14 09:48

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thecman252025-12-13 22:14

I can assure you it won’t be high quality stuff like we had on the past

Long_Ganache_13352025-12-13 22:15

The Multiverse Saga concludes with the cataclysmic dual-event of Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars. Following the incursion-heavy instability of Phases 5 and 6, the Multiverse collapses. Doctor Doom, seizing omnipotent power, forges Battleworld—a patchwork planet stitched together from the shards of dying realities, including the Fox Universe (Mutant history), Earth-828 (The Fantastic Four: First Steps), and the Sony-Adjacent Universes.
The Great Nexus Event
In the climax of Secret Wars, the surviving heroes reject a simple restoration of the old timeline. Instead, they trigger a catastrophic but constructive Nexus Event.
The core MCU timeline (Earth-199999) is consumed and reconstituted. It is forged into a single, cohesive "New Sacred Timeline." This reality retains the crucial emotional history of the Infinity Saga (Iron Man’s sacrifice, Thanos, The Blip) but retroactively integrates missing lore from adjacent realities.

eagc72025-12-13 22:22

Mutants

Successful-Garden1922025-12-13 22:22

I think its pretty well known the plan is X-Men

Bleh-Boy2025-12-13 22:23

- Heavy focus on the X-Men and mutants in general with a reboot with brand new actors. That said, I wouldn’t be shocked if Hugh Jackman, Dafne Keen and Ryan Reynolds stick around as old man Logan, Laura and Deadpool while everyone else gets recast.

- Spider-Man will likely continue to be a major player as long as Tom Holland wants to stick with the role. I imagine we’ll get at least 2 more solo movies with him after Secret Wars. Likely involving the symbiote and Venom.

- Doomsday/Secret Wars could introduce a new T’Challa who may be an aged up version of the OG T’Challa’s son from the end of BP2. After Secret Wars, the timeline is altered in a way where this new T’Challa is our main Black Panther going forward. This leads into Black Panther 3 which is all about our new Black Panther living up to his father’s legacy.

- The Fantastic Four cast will definitely stick around, but probably be added to the same timeline as the other heroes. That said, it’d be a shame to lose the retro futuristic style that made First Steps so unique so maybe some elements of that aesthetic could carry over into this new timeline.

- If RDJ’s take on Doom is well received then I could imagine a world where he sticks around for a few more movies after Secret Wars. Maybe in a future Fantastic Four sequel.

- Captain America is a tricky one. It’s totally possible Chris Evan’s could still be Steve after Secret Wars and maybe we get a 5th Captain America movie with Steve and Sam sharing the title. They could also totally reboot Captain America, but you’d think that would mean also recasting Sam and Bucky since it’d be weird to have a new Steve, but old Sam and Bucky.

- I could see Chris Hemsworth playing Thor for the rest of his life and being one of the few characters that never gets recast.

- I do think we’ll get a new actor as Tony Stark at some point. I think it’d be very interesting to see a younger actor in his 20s or early 30s take over the role. Maybe flip the script where Spidey is the experienced hero that has to deal with a younger and reckless Iron Man.

IronRevenge1312025-12-13 23:07

Interesting take on Chris Hemsworth that I absolutely agree with. I just dont see him parting with the character even if he doesn’t receive anymore solo movies.

Own_Giraffe_69282025-12-13 23:41

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Beginning-Pace-14262025-12-14 01:54

Why does he have higher risk?

Own_Giraffe_69282025-12-14 02:32

2 copies of the Alzheimer's gene

nikelaos1172025-12-13 23:50

We are definitely going to see him play king thor or whatever where he looks like Odin. At some point

closetsquirrel2025-12-14 02:07

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Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-13 23:19

CA isn't tricky at all. The general audience rejected Sam Wilson's solo film. IF there is a new CA film, Steve Rogers will be back.

Own_Giraffe_69282025-12-13 23:43

General audiences rejected it because it fucking sucked. Same reason why they rejected Thor The Dark World. Thor 3 still happened, still with Hemsworth, just with a different creative vision.

The problem was never Sam, despite what some people will tell you. The problem is the same one that killed Quantumania, Secret Invasion, The Marvels, and Love & Thunder around the same time - Disney pumping out slop without having any clue what kind of project they even want to make, let alone the vision for how they want to make it.

LongOdd15962025-12-14 00:34

I agree re RDJ sticking around as Doom should the character be a hit (also depending on his *doom* by the end of this saga).

Sickey3452025-12-14 04:24

I have a feeling secret wars will be a way to recast a lot of the older actors similar to how the 2015 comic ended with “all new all different marvel”

SeekerVash2025-12-14 06:24

>The Fantastic Four cast will definitely stick around, but probably be added to the same timeline as the other heroes. That said, it’d be a shame to lose the retro futuristic style that made First Steps so unique so maybe some elements of that aesthetic could carry over into this new timeline.

I don't think that's safe to assume. The movie \*might\* have broke even, but it also had weak word of mouth and a sequel would almost certainly come in much lower. I think there's fairly high odds they don't carry them forward.

>Captain America is a tricky one. It’s totally possible Chris Evan’s could still be Steve after Secret Wars and maybe we get a 5th Captain America movie with Steve and Sam sharing the title. They could also totally reboot Captain America, but you’d think that would mean also recasting Sam and Bucky since it’d be weird to have a new Steve, but old Sam and Bucky.

Feige explicitly sited Sam as a reason why Captain America 4 didn't do well. I doubt they're going to continue to invest there. If Feige is stating in interviews that Sam can't bring in box office, he's saying \*much\* worse in executive meetings, and they're not following that path further.

>I do think we’ll get a new actor as Tony Stark at some point. I think it’d be very interesting to see a younger actor in his 20s or early 30s take over the role. Maybe flip the script where Spidey is the experienced hero that has to deal with a younger and reckless Iron Man.

That door closes with Doomsday/Secret War, there's no more multiverse, so there's no path to that. It would be interesting, but they won't have that option anymore.

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:09

I want to see what they do with T'Challa, because he's the only link between the mutants and Wakanda that I'm really aware of. His marriage/divorce to Storm, I mean.

Operator_Starlight2025-12-13 22:24

That's a big IF.

jackson501112025-12-13 22:24

Soft reboot to reestablish what is with this universe with probably a focus on the X-Men/Mutants

Jadedtrader332025-12-13 22:26

Reboot.

CyberKitten052025-12-13 22:27

AI Slop.

SuperScoobkaroke2025-12-13 22:27

There are two things I think could be the main plan for the next saga. Not as much content as the muktiverse saga closer to what this year and 2026 will be I don't think we will get 4 movies and 7 Dosney+ shows in a year or two. The main focus depending on how these next two movies go but I could see it being focused on the Mutants. Channing Tatum's Gambit, a new actress for Rogue as well as some other characters who are established X-Men but maybe might not have gotten the biggest focus in the Fox X-men movies. Also I think it could focus on some of the X-men who moonlight as Avengers like Storm or Beast and their realtionships with the current Avengers team.

waitforit552025-12-13 22:29

Didn't they say they would reset everything?

knotsteve2025-12-13 22:29

They should focus on good movies and not even hint at a big plot for a few years.

MisterSpicy2025-12-13 22:30

“The Mutant Saga” is the general consensus

EDPZ2025-12-13 22:30

Reboot but treat it as an in universe reset type thing.

Emondm242025-12-13 22:35

X-men but they are going to have to cast a new Wolverine

TheSChen2025-12-13 22:36

Agree. The mixed quality doesn’t explain it all though. Timing was an issue, I.e. COVID. It’s changed viewing habits for good now. Difficult to weave a serialized narrative outside of movie theaters. Throw in the over saturation of D+ shows and feeling like you had to watch everything just to keep up, was hard enough for hardcore fans but casual viewers had no chance.

ASIWYFA2025-12-13 22:38

Avengers are done after this. They ran their course. X-Men being the mains is what comes next.

Darkfigure1452025-12-13 22:39

They should do Dark Phoenix. I don't think anyone has tried that yet.

DavidBHimself2025-12-14 03:36

It may be my favorite superhero story ever, and the fact they butchered not once, but twice in movies (which means Marvel won't go anywhere near it for at least a few decades) makes me so angry.

BucsLegend_TomBrady2025-12-14 08:28

You know what the funniest part about the Jean Grey / Phoenix situation is? Xmen 3 the first attempt at Phoenix. It completely botched the Phoenix storyline and ended up being one of the worst xmen movies ever. So 13 years later when they attempted to reboot/redo the Phoenix saga... they got the exact same guy to write it.

Yes, thats right. When they were looking for writers for the second attempt at Phoenix, there was quite literally, only one person in existence known for making a bad Phoenix movie and THATS the person they chose. Incredible.

dumbass_tm2025-12-14 20:51

That is actually the dumbest thing I’ve heard this past week. Wow.

CaptCumQuick2025-12-13 22:41

They don't need to earn any goodwill back with the casual viewer. The general audience will watch every new movie that comes out and will enjoy it for what it is. The problem is with the people in these subs that pick every release apart and bounces between 'This is just pure slop' and 'we're back, boys'.

rysker62025-12-13 22:43

Everything MAGA MCU bros want; women, people of color, lgbtq characters

Everything they love

itzjamez12152025-12-13 22:43

Whatever they do with mutants, I hope McAvoy and Fassbender stay as Professor X and Magneto

TripleStrikeDrive2025-12-13 22:47

Some xmen based event, probably not the phoxiex force(it's been twice without much success). Maybe master mold? Master mold ai will do hal 9000 and start killing humans to prevent more genetic anomalies in human species.

ItsAProdigalReturn2025-12-13 22:48

Focus: X-Men, Spider-Man and Fantastic Four.

PHASE 7:

* X-Men (original 5)
* Spider-Man 5 (he abandons the black suit towards the end, ft Human Torch and Miles, post credit Eddie Brock)
* Shang-Chi 2
* Doctor Strange 3 (tease Wanda being alive)
* Black Panther 3
* Fantastic Four 2 (ft. Spider-Man, Namor and Black Panther - Wanda post credit) - this would be our Phase ender
* Champions (epilogue to the phase - Rogue takes out Captain Marvel)

PHASE 8:

* Wolverine vs Hulk
* Giant Sized X-Men (with Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus and Kitty, ft. Namor and Kamala - post-credit Wanda)
* Spider-Man 6 (ft. Shang-Chi vs Venom. Miles learns from Peter. We think Peter dies.)
* Shang-Chi 3
* Fantastic Four 3
* Blade
* Champions / Avengers crossover - results in a streamlined single team
* House of M (bring in Rogue and Gambit. Apocalypse post credit)

PHASE 8:

* Thor vs Hercules
* Blade 2
* Spider-Man - Miles Morales
* Fantastic Four 4
* Age of Apocalypse p1
* Spider-Man (return of Peter)
* Age of Apocalypse p2

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:39

Wait you're going to do House of M and the next thing that happens to the X-Men is... Age of Apocalypse? When are you introducing Cable, or Hope since she's the biggest plot point out of House of M? Surely not DURING your big phase 8 climax with Apocalypse?

ElectricTiger3912025-12-13 22:51

Avengers V. Xmen?

Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-13 22:53

The plan is X-Men.

The two Avengers films won't change that. Nothing will. X-Men, Spider-Man, and Avengers will be the AAA-tier franchises.

Fantastic Four 2 will be a decisive moment to see if the 2 Avengers film catapulted their popularity to A-Tier or if they'll remain B-Tier for now. BP3 and DS3 will close those franchises for now.

RoliePolieOlie__2025-12-13 22:53

Nostalgia bait

niicofrank2025-12-13 23:00

Mutant Saga

fuzzyfoot882025-12-13 23:20

Less D+ shows, less characters nobody wants to see, less DEI casting, less everything fans wanted (but not really)

OpportunityGood28722025-12-13 23:21

It’s absolutely going to be involving Mutants heavily

CruzAderjc2025-12-13 23:35

If these two movies can somehow convince movie theaters to make ticket prices $10 again, then I don’t know if people are ever going to want to come back to the theaters like they used to

RDDAMAN8192025-12-13 23:36

I wish theyd do a full on reboot. New “universe”, new faces and new characters. I think continuing with the current cast would be a mistake after Secret Wars. Its about time we start fresh like DC has and just get into some fresh storytelling. I don’t want to see Jackman as Wolverine for another 10 years. Lets give some new actors a chance to build up a new Marvel Cinematic Universe

After all this nostalgia Multiverse stuff they desperately need to change things up

Soulwarfare422025-12-13 23:37

Mutants and Supernatural will be explored more post-Secret Wars IMO

- X-Men will get a whole recast and be brought into the main MCU. Likely to get a trilogy

- Fantastic Four will be brought into the main MCU as well and we get at least a trilogy with the team

- Spider-Man will conclude his second trilogy with Tom Holland passing the torch to Miles Morales

- Doctor Strange will get a 3rd and potentially 4th film as Benedict seems really enthusiastic still to be playing the character

- Thor will get one final film because Chris didn't seem to like Love and Thunder being the final film. Plus, the Hercules tease needs a payoff

- Blade will happen, whether Mahershala stays on is up for debate but it will happen

- Ghost Rider will probably have a film as well

- Midnight Suns, the ensemble team for tackling supernatural will definitely happen

- Shang Chi will get a trilogy as he is easily the most popular of the post-Endgame heroes

- Black Panther 3 of course will happen

- A New Guardians of the Galaxy film with the new team

- They will start having Avenger films at the end of each phase again

- Nova is apparently happening as a TV series. Young Avengers/Champions team is also reportedly a TV series as well.

- Wishful thinking but Mark Ruffalo Hulk finally getting one solo film would be nice

- Cap 5 and Captain Marvel 3 and Eternals 2 I don't see happening with Marvel taking less risk now. Most likely they will only appear in Avengers or cameo in other films.

BenTheDiamondback2025-12-13 23:39

X-men / mutants is the only answer

It’ll feel like 1991 all over again

Domination17992025-12-13 23:41

I don’t see the MCU version of the X-Men succeeding since they already got their own successful film series. They need to take a break since superhero fatigue is very real.

Elegant-Loan-16662025-12-14 00:01

Pretty big assumption. The brand seems weaker than ever right now.

Meizas2025-12-14 00:01

I think it'll be more street level and grounded, and they're laying that groundwork now with Thunderbolts, Daredevil, Spiderman 4, Punisher, etc. Street level X-Men? YES PLEASE.

Rayyan__212025-12-14 00:03

MUTANTS.

ChaoticCaptain1772025-12-14 00:04

I feel like it's obvious the X-men and mutants will be the focus of the next saga. As well as some exploration with the F4 and Spider-Man. As for the Avengers? They'll be sidelined but still have some attention

itsmeitsmethemtg2025-12-14 00:07

Every Phase (2 per year, nee phase every 4):

Spider-Man

X-Men

Avengers (as a proper normal team not just a crossover)

Guardians

Midnight Suns

Rotating established solo

New IP chance

Marvel Studios Presents: Crossover

Streaming yearly:

Defenders - all defenders spread out to different cities and it's an ensemble national show (Daredevil: New York, Jessica Jones: Chicago, Punisher: Texas, Luke Cage: Atlanta, Iron Fist: LA)

Yearly animation series

Special Presentation

Immediate_Channel3932025-12-14 00:12

I hope they bring AoS characters into the main MCU. Specifically Daisy/Quake

OrangeRed572025-12-14 00:19

I think they did plan it out properly. Do you really think they went with “lets see what happens”?

Many challenges occurred post endgame.

Bulky-Abrocoma-22582025-12-14 00:22

The Mutant Saga🤘

Educational-Try-14962025-12-14 00:23

X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor, Excalibur.

relativlysmart2025-12-14 00:25

I just hope theres a plan in general.

Dannyocean122025-12-14 00:29

X-men need to be all the rage

Any-Cat212025-12-14 00:30

They'll most likely make random X-Men movies and a few Thor movies, but I don't know why, I feel like the upcoming movies will just be sold as original stories that fans won't care about, and Marvel will only focus on selling them based on the actors in them, not because they're adapting a good comic book arc.

Live_Answer_38752025-12-14 00:35

Less focus on random individual characters that no one cares about and more focus on team ups

Also, X-Men

UnlimitedDisciple2025-12-14 01:09

This is where they reset to the X-Men which they felt was too early after Endgame.

They’ll get to focus strictly on them. The only other characters I see getting love are Black Panther, Spiderman, Dr. Strange (with Midnight Sons), Fantastic Four (with other cosmic characters) and Avengers assembled teams like Thunderbolts with Sam’s team, and the YA.

I don’t think Thor survives SW. could be wrong but honestly he doesn’t have much left in story unless they find a “Logan” story send off for him.

They are stripping back a ton.

failedjedi_opens_jar2025-12-14 01:34

Gwen Stacy Volleyball trilogy

OrphanintheWind2025-12-14 01:38

Giant Ant Pet returns but as a villain.

Kota7242025-12-14 01:39

X-men and Annihilation. Hopefully Tom Holland Spider-Man at the center

Even-Elk-27352025-12-14 01:41

Why do people want more xmen? We already have like 15 movies

GarySoneji2025-12-14 03:24

They want to see them done right. Fox didn’t respect the source material and insulted fans with their corporate spins on beloved characters.

EspyOwner2025-12-14 07:41

this is where I make a joke about Disney being a different corporate spin on beloved characters

hopefully they don't make Iceman and Rogue have a romance plot.

mega5122025-12-14 01:57

Mutants. That's pretty obvious.

Tyluhh232025-12-14 02:00

Mutant Saga with Avenger cameos

Fictionj2025-12-14 02:03

More of fewer characters… but please let MoonKnight be three of them

Ok-Neighborhood-5662025-12-14 02:05

Avengers were always the B team.

NoNazisInMyAmerica2025-12-14 02:26

X-Men is the clear answer but they need to recast a younger Wolverine (along side Hugh Jackman) and they need to knock it out of the fucking park

ryanchapelle2025-12-14 02:29

In the past they worked up to Avengers movies… it was like the Wrestlemania of MCU with storylines all finally coming together. It felt earned. This just feels like they’re dropping Avengers films out of desperation. Like when WCW brought out all the old WWF guys… it worked for a bit, but ultimately was only a short term fix.

Dave_B0012025-12-14 02:40

if they have made a plan. The multuliverse saga seemed to be terribly unplanned.

Teganfff2025-12-14 02:45

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ramsaybolton872025-12-14 02:50

The multiverse was completely fine, every phase had great moves and mid movies. It's just hard to come in after arguably the greatest payoffs in movie history. The mistake is thinking that phase 4 would could compete with end, it should be compared to phase 1/2 if anything

channydin2025-12-14 02:51

Give me Dr. Doom and Iron Man vs Cap and Johnny Storm LMAO. YES. 2 RDJ vs 2 Chris Evans

antivenom9072025-12-14 03:17

Didn't they say the MCU is gonna reboot after secret wars?

AwarenessNo49862025-12-14 03:24

Oh they planned it out very well, KANG actor just threw a wrench in it

ryan2stix2025-12-14 03:25

I really hope we get a scene of Rogue getting her hands on Captain marvel

bombuzal20002025-12-14 04:23

The novelty has worn off and the MCU is simply not the cultural phenomenom anymore. I doubt they will find the same success with traditional cinema again. The timing was just right for Ironman->Endgame but that's gone now. It's like a band playing it's old hits. I'm sure it'll continue to be entertaining and make some money but that's about that.

Maybe MCU fades to the background like the comics. Then in 2050 becomes huge again on some new platform. The future adults will get their memberberries squeezed and show their kids whatever it is (vr?) and everyone unites under the Marvel flag once again.

In the mean time i hope they do XMen right.

Sickey3452025-12-14 04:28

I’m curious who the next big threat will be. If the focus entirely on mutants marvel might try and do the dark phoenix or apocalypse justice but I wouldn’t mind if things get a bit more cosmic and and they introduce annihilus

idiot-prodigy2025-12-14 12:36

They've not had a plan since Endgame came out.

Educational-Bee-41692025-12-14 13:06

With the primary goal of making money, Marvel will probably focus on recognizable characters and safer storytelling rather than taking big creative risks.

-Boston-Terrier-2025-12-14 14:42

Next saga? I'm still not sure what the plan is for *this* saga.

I can't imagine they'll go this route but, IMO, they should use the multiverse angle to pivot into a different multiverse without the Avengers, etc. and do what they did with the Avengers only with the X-Men.

I always thought the X-Men made a lot more sense in their own multiverse anyway.

Daleyemissions2025-12-14 17:26

I don’t think these movies will earn “good will back” because the “good will” is now “active disinterest” —Gen X & millennials are hooked to these movies. Gen Z (and those even younger) only want Minecraft/Super Mario/Sonic the Hedgehog and videogame movies writ large.

This is just how time works.

They don’t read comics at all basically. They barely watch superhero cartoons that aren’t Spider-Man related. They don’t seem interested in superheroes beyond gooning to Marvel Rivals. They don’t seem interested in Star Wars beyond how it fits into Fortnite.

They aren’t interested in the MCU or the DCU.

The MCU is fading into the background and becoming niche. I expect that Doomsday may hit $1 Billion (they need it to) because Spider-Man will make a $1 Billion and that will absolutely have to lead into Doomsday, but I’m not like, rock solid on that. The movies it’s built on all massively underperformed and pre-2020 would’ve been called outright *bombs* by the people in this sub. Hell, the X-Men thing is even more tenuous because A) the X-Men universe never hit over $750M worldwide to begin with (Deadpool is the only “X” franchise to do so) and B) I think the highest grossing movie of the core franchise is still X3: The Last Stand. So not the huge addition that many might’ve thought going in. And everyone in that cast is like, retirement home-aged.

Look we all were super excited about X-Men and Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four didn’t hit with people. Instead it was seen as relatively boring and safe and uninteresting to the broader public. Pedro was miscast out of the gate (just my personal feelings). But unless they can get Gen Z interested in X-Men (and the X-Men 97 cartoon did not play to people under the age of 30 overall basically) I don’t think the Marvel Studios thing is going to work long term outside of Spider-Man. I said this is in 2019.

Build the whole thing around Spider-Man, and it’ll be safe. But because of the way the rights for Spider-Man are—they chose to try their own strategy of using the B-C Tier shit. Look where that got them.

Successful_Math_42312025-12-15 16:26

You honestly gave the brutal truth this sub cant seem to wrap it’s head around

1.) The nostalgia factor from the xmen is something literally only hardcore marvel fans care about and plus we’ve already had deadpool 3
2.) 80 percent (this is me being nice) of post endgame has flopped critically and or financially
3.) unlike infinity war people don’t know what this film is about and whose in it like regular people knew the avengers and the guardians were appearing and that a guy named thanos has been pulling the strings all along wants to collect stones like a year before the film came out

2026 has to go really good
I’m talking born again season 2 and Spider-Man 4 have to be amazing and Spider-Man 4 has to gross at least a billion and I’d doubt doomsday is gonna surpass what Spider-Man 4 grosses

They have to drop footage and pepper us with trailers and fake deaths for a whole year

Aromatic-Cupcake48022025-12-14 18:40

The next saga is very evidently centered around Mutants. Marvel’s completed their 20 year journey with having all characters in one place. Back to basics. And a continuation of long awaited storylines.

SnooDonkeys69902025-12-14 21:23

I think marvel will be focusing each team separately but interact in some cameos and small crossover leading up to multiple small events and one big event i think thay should focus a bit on the cosmic and mutants sides of marvel
This is how i would like them to handle things
-doomsday/secret wars

- Xmen (introduce the new team and cast and magneto as the villain)

- nova (its about damn time i think team up with starlord at this point and maybe even the death of atarlord at this movie)

- thor (the ballade of beta ray bill)

- fantastic four 2 (mini team up with some avengers and maybe few xmen against galactus and his heralds like terrax)

- Avengers:masters of evil (the avengers assemble against baron zemo and his team of villains)

- black panther (inspired by ta nehisi run first ancounter with the shiar empire and other empires in the universe clashing over intergalactic matter like mkraan shrad that would continue the cosmic side after nova first appearance who will be a part of this movie guiding tchalla in the intergalactic area)

- celestials judgment day (first big event with every team on earth with a wrap on the celestials side of the mcu and finish the eternals story)

- xmen (im thinking mr sinister storyline )

- annihilation (first big cosmic event with nova building the annihilators team that will win the cosmic war against annihilus after the lost of his dear friend star lord, the team will include beta ray bill silver surfer gladiator and add to the team in the mcu adam warlock and thor and maybe even sentry but im not sure about this one instead of ronan and ikon)

Stretch this up over 4-5 years with some individual heroes between those movie getting a movie of their own and of course post credits scenes to build up each storyline and i think it can be awesome